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Re: Super Blackbird was sold at $1700 in Japan
« Reply #15 on: May 14, 2019, 01:50:54 AM »
 

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Front discs are cast iron discs from Germany, rear disc is front disc from a pc23 cbr600, much lighter and much harder than standard sc21 rear disc, which wear out quite fast.
I agree fully on your preference for the sc21 smile1004up
I don't know which bike is the sc31?
 

Re: Super Blackbird was sold at $1700 in Japan
« Reply #16 on: May 14, 2019, 02:25:08 AM »
 

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this is sc31. https://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/Honda/honda_cbr1000f%2093.htm
The most visible difference is front direction indicator.

 

Re: Super Blackbird was sold at $1700 in Japan
« Reply #17 on: May 14, 2019, 03:00:37 AM »
 

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I also saw it mentioned as cbr900f 924cc.....
This is just another cbr1000f, i know they were sold in France as sc25 too, probably as the specifications were different for different countries Honda also changed the manufacturerscode...
The sc21 is told to give 132hp, and the sc24 135horsepower, minor difference, but my white sc21 ran 269 km topspeed on the German autobahn, while i only got my 'new' sc24 to just over 250 km/h, both on GPS, so fairly accurate.
Not a speed to do too often, fueleconomy suffers terribly, and not very comfortable too winky5a
 

Re: Super Blackbird was sold at $1700 in Japan
« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2019, 03:10:31 AM »
 

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After doing some more research, it seems the sc31 is the sc24 with DCBS, usually referred to as the dual brake type. It has some logic to give it another name, as besides the other type of generator and those coupled brakes it also has flatslide carburators and a throttle position sensor (TPS) , and double headlamps. My sc24 has none of those gimmicks, just the changed outer shell and smaller brake caliper pistons, and a cartridge type front fork, which i like less than my 'old' sc21 forks with antidive!
 

Re: Super Blackbird was sold at $1700 in Japan
« Reply #19 on: May 16, 2019, 17:40:22 PM »
 

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https://www.goobike.com/maker-honda/car-cbr1000f/index.html All Japanese. But you can watch the photos. This is CBR1000f sale list in Japan. 3 sc31, 2 sc24 and 3 sc21.

29.8 man yen== 298,000 yen == US$ 2650.
The cheapest sc31 price is about US$2650.
Of course, this price does not include tax and S&H fee. But I think it is  good burgain price because it is not personal trade.
 

Re: Super Blackbird was sold at $1700 in Japan
« Reply #20 on: May 16, 2019, 19:32:56 PM »
 

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I find it remarkable that there isn't much difference in price between the early and later models!
My sc21 with its many kilometres wouldn'be worth the paper needed to advertise it, not that i want to sell it, it is good for many more years of loyal service.
And the fact i got that '92 sc24 for free just because it wasn't rideable says enough about how people think about the older bikes!
 

Re: Super Blackbird was sold at $1700 in Japan
« Reply #21 on: May 17, 2019, 12:46:05 PM »
 

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After reading your post, I also did research about sc31 carb.

According to Haynes maint manual, SC31 has VP83B,VP86A or VP83D Keihin carb.  SC24 has VG80A,VG91A or VG90A Keihin carb.
Each delivery destination has different carb for different emission regulations.

It looks like VP is Kehin flat slide carb type name. VG is Keihin CV carb type name.

According to Partszilla, CBR1100XX also has VPS1A Keihin carb.

If SC31 has flat slide carb and sc24 has CV carb, I think there is significant acceleration difference between them.

 

Re: Super Blackbird was sold at $1700 in Japan
« Reply #22 on: May 19, 2019, 23:44:20 PM »
 

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Like i wrote, the sc31 name isn't used here in Europe, I hadn't heard of it before you mentioned it, in all fora folks only talk of sc24 dual or nondual, which refers to the DCBS.
I never rode a later model sc24/31, so I can't compare, but Honda credited them all with 135 HP, and what I learned from my German friends on www.cbr-1000.de it is common that the early models are stronger, and definitely lighter in weight. And Germany is as far as I know the only country where it is possible to ride these bikes at topspeed on public roads legally.
 

Re: Super Blackbird was sold at $1700 in Japan
« Reply #23 on: May 20, 2019, 02:46:33 AM »
 

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According to my understandings, CBR1000F model year is as follows.

1987 H  SC21
1988 J  SC21
1989 K  SC24 No production for US
1990 L  SC24
1991 M SC24
1992 N   No production
1993 P   SC31
1994 Q  SC31
1995 R  SC31
1996 S SC31
1997 T  SC31  CBR1100XX's 1st year.
1998 U  SC31  maybe no production
1999 V  SC31  maybe no production

Haynes has just description about UK and US.  And Haynes said UK has SC24 frame in 1996.
US has certainly SC31 after 1993 according to partszilla and Haynes.
I don't know why Honda did not introduce SC31 for EU. May be Honda had overstock of SC24 and continued to ship them to EU.

 

Re: Super Blackbird was sold at $1700 in Japan
« Reply #24 on: May 20, 2019, 10:55:10 AM »
 

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Thanks for that list, I'll share it at the German forum and see what they say about that. They can also check the framenrs. on the newer bikes and I'm curious if those VIN's give sc24 or 31...
It can take a while, but that forum is a lot busier than this one, which is understandable as there are lots more 1000's on the road than Hurricane 750's winky5a
 

Re: Super Blackbird was sold at $1700 in Japan
« Reply #25 on: July 03, 2019, 14:41:50 PM »
 

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I found following page. It may be useful for CBR1000F owners.

https://bikeswiki.com/Honda_CBR1000F

Addition.
CBR1100XX wallpaper. Obviously she is not a owner of XX.
https://www.deviantart.com/kvcat/art/Erika-CBR1100XX-543929221
 

Re: Super Blackbird was sold at $1700 in Japan
« Reply #26 on: July 03, 2019, 16:04:10 PM »
 

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Well done, that is quite extensive!  :bow:
 So it seems the SC31 designation is specific for Japan, although it could well be possible some of those got sold over the rest of the world like the 750 Hurricane
 

Re: Super Blackbird was sold at $1700 in Japan
« Reply #27 on: July 03, 2019, 17:31:33 PM »
 

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Regarding SC31,Honda exported officially.

At following page, this SC31 has 300km/H speed gauge. At that time, all JDM MC has max 180km/H speed gauge.
Because 180km/H speed restrictor was mandatory item in Japanese market at that time.
https://www.goobike.com/spread/8700214B30190611001/index.html?disp_ord=2


https://www.goobike.com/spread/8400019B30180826002/index.html?disp_ord=1
This is also export model. Because it has 180MPH speed gauge.


https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/n354145839
This is SC31 for Japan. Because it has 180km/H speed gauge.

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